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So... unkaphaed suggests I go get Bioshock, and and almost simultaneously, dwight_everhart sends it to me as a "happy new computer" present.  (Wow, thanks Dwight!)

But this now makes TWO games (on my ever-growing stack of games waiting to get installed), that I am nervous about.  Both Bioshock and NeverWinter Nights II use SecuRom DRM -- and while the Bioshock folks swear that SecuRom is not a rootkit, from everything I've read, it may as well be.

Should I be worried about inflicting SecuRom on my new, virginal computer baby?  Is there anything I can do to minimize the damage?

And as long as I'm asking for tech support... I would REALLY like to move my entire Vista "Users" folder -- or at least the entire "Reed" user folder (i.e. not just the subfolders beneath that) -- to my D drive... but everything I've read says that this is Highly Nontrivial.  And even if you do pull it off, you're just begging Windows Update (and other services) to fail...

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience in attempting to do this?


Current Emotional State: nervous nervous

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From: dwight_everhart Date: March 24th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I didn't have any problems with BioShock's copy protection. I just installed it on my Mac's Vista partition. From what I've read, SecuROM is not a rootkit. I don't like it, but it's not a rootkit. See this Slashdot discussion.

I don't know why game publishers bother with copy protection at all. No matter how advanced the protection is, someone cracks it and posts the cracked game within days of the game's release. And then anyone who wants a free copy can get one without any technical knowledge. Copy protection is a waste of resources for publishers and an inconvenience for players.

Bioshock is available on Steam, if you prefer that flavor of copy protection.
From: dwight_everhart Date: March 24th, 2008 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)
After reading the Slashdot discussion a bit further and doing some Googling, it appears that the Steam version of Bioshock comes with SecuROM. You just get Steam's encryption on top of SecuROM. Sigh.

Even if Bioshock came with a rootkit, it'd be worth it. It's that good. :)
unbeliever64 From: unbeliever64 Date: March 24th, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've dealt with Steam before -- for Half Life 2 -- and will again, when I install the full Orange Box. It's a nuisance... but there's at least SOME added value.

SecuRom is just evil. *ANYTHING* that installs itself ON your system, and then refuses to cleanly uninstall, is evil. Especially when it installs as a service, taking up memory and CPU even when you're not running the game it's theoretically protecting.

As for Bioshock, yeah, the STEAM version still has SecuRom (SHEESH), and there's no point in having BOTH, when it's not necessary. Especially when the SecuRom-only version just got handed to me on a silver platter. (Thanks again!)

Like you, I just don't see the point in DRM. You know how to stop piracy?

1) Price your product so people can actually afford it.
2) Make it easily available -- not just through one store, or website.
3) Include "something extra" in the packaging (Ultima gave us cloth maps; Infocom games often had cool little trinkets).

Adding pain-in-the-ass DRM to games and music -- to the extent that it becomes annoying to honest customers (and even damages their systems) -- just drives us away...

As for me, I've spent the last week trying to get comfortable with Vista (installing productivity apps only -- and being very selective even with those). I don't want to layer too much on top of Vista too fast, because I would never be sure what is Vista's normal behavior, and what is due to something I've changed...

On the other hand, I'm getting REALLY impatient to start getting into some of these games... :)
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