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Election Day - Unbeliever's Land
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Election Day
Well... here's hoping that the polls are wrong, that the Dems can manage to hold both houses of Congress, that Harry Reid can grow a spine and pass a meaningful filibuster reform at the start of the next session, so we can have a functional Senate (you *KNOW* the Repugs will drop the filibuster entirely, if THEY get the Senate -- they don't want payback for their crap the past two years)... and that Obama can grow a spine, and USE his Democratic Congress and neutered filibuster to actually get some liberal legislation passed before NEXT Election Day.

You know, as long as I'm dreaming, and everything...

Current Emotional State: depressed depressed

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90sbondgirl From: 90sbondgirl Date: November 10th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
And then there are those of us who are hoping the Dems DON'T hold on to both houses, that Obamacare will be repealed extremely promptly, along with some other craziness that somehow got past the legislative branch.

My frustration is that basically the current situation IS "the lesser of two evils". I'm conservative, not necessarily Republican. I think both parties have good ideas; I think both have bad ideas.

But what I really think is that once they're elected, none of our legislators is really listening to US, THEIR EMPLOYERS. (hint, hint) Definitely time for some house-cleaning and reform. Although I will say honestly I don't quite know how to accomplish that.
unbeliever64 From: unbeliever64 Date: November 11th, 2010 07:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Can't say I really know how to reply to this.

What PRECISELY about "Obamacare" do you have a problem with, given that all it does it provide a few protections to you, the consumer? Sure it doesn't do ENOUGH -- we SHOULD have fought like hell for Single Payer, removing insurance companies and their profit motives from life-or-death decisions entirely, and saving a ton of money to boot. But of course the Republicans made sure that even a "public option" was too toxic to discuss...

And... the Republicans are the ones who have filibustered EVERYTHING since Obama was sworn in. You want them in charge? To accomplish what? All they have planned is tax cuts for the rich (so much for caring about the budget), fighting anything Obama tries to do (since accomplishments under Dem presidents don't bode well for them politically), and endless "investigations" of Obama, to try to dig up political dirt.

There was once a time when Republicans were intelligent and reasonable, and could be counted on to honorably try and improve the country. Even if you disagreed, it was an honorable disagreement.

Have you actually looked at the modern Republican party lately?

The new Republican House of Representatives is planning on having a committee dedicated to "exposing the global warming myth", for God's sake. EVERY RESPECTABLE SCIENTIST ON THE PLANET is screaming that we need immediate action (and have been saying so for 20 years) -- and Rep John Shimkus just announced that there can't possibly be a problem, since according to the Bible, only God can flood the Earth, and God said he won't do it again. Case closed.

We are literally fighting insanity here. Trying to find a balance between Democrats (marginally crazy) and Republicans (utterly bugfuck) at this point in our history, is simply not reasonable.

YES our political system sucks, and only promotes the lesser of two evils. YES, we need major changes. Absolutely.

But this was the worst possible answer. If you thought the last two years were bad, hold on to your hat...
90sbondgirl From: 90sbondgirl Date: November 22nd, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wanted to write a point-by-point, well-thought-out, reasoned response to your response. Truly, I did. And then Life Happened, as it usually does.

Just to point out, I am NOT "Republican". I am _conservative_. There is a difference. I'm not a right-wing, overly-religioned hypocrite (thank goodness). I truly think both sides have good ideas (unfortunately usually outweighed by their bad ones).

What strikes me the most is that as far as I can tell, on so many issues most people want the same thing - an end to hunger, poverty, etc.; healthcare available to everyone; development of renewable energy sources and a strong, sustained move away from petroleum products; and (while I'm dreaming) a good shakeup of our political system that will force those who represent us to actually DO so, instead of pursuing their own agendas against their constituents' clearly stated wishes.

So I think you and I will have to agree to disagree on the means, while earnestly hoping that someone can come up with some solutions to any and all of these issues that may help rather than hinder.
unbeliever64 From: unbeliever64 Date: November 27th, 2010 06:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I think you're right -- most actual people DO want those things.

But if you're speaking as an actual fiscal conservative (i.e. NOT what Fox News considers "conservative")... then I don't know what to say. The word "conservative" (like "Christian") has been so thoroughly hijacked by the right wing, I don't really have a mental picture of what it looks like OUTSIDE of a right-wing context.

What I do know is party politics. I know that the Democrats at least pay lip service to (and make a feeble effort in the direction of) the issues you mention. As of Bush Jr, the Republicans stopped even pretending to care about that stuff.

If we had the Republican party of 60 years ago, you MIGHT have an argument that bipartisanship was a reasonable and good thing. But today? The party run by Limbaugh and Beck is not something you want to "bargain with".

Giving power to THIS Republican party isn't just fox-guarding-the-henhouse nuts. That's terrorists-guarding-the-nukes nuts.

Even speaking in terms of pure economics, read some Paul Krugman. Recessions are NOT the time for the government to pinch pennies...

There's no such thing as "Obamacare". And the set of pathetic rules and limitations on the health care industry that actually got passed, were paid for. They had to be. (When the Repubs are in charge, no one cares about the debt. When the Dems are in charge, suddenly everything has to be paid for.)

So I don't see what the problem is, except that Fox and the Repubs will say and do ANYTHING to poison any actual accomplishments Obama makes -- and they trick alot of well-meaning people into agreeing with them...
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